What Must I Do To Be Saved – Part 3 – Like Father-Like Son
September 20, 2009 by A Watchman
With many such parables He was speaking the word to them, as much as they could understand;
and He did not speak to them without using a parable; But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything. (Mark 4:33-34)
Oh, to have Him EXPLAIN everything to us…
Wouldn’t it be wonderful to be alone with Him and have Him explain His parables to us.
Matthew 13
10And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.
12″For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him.
13″Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14″In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,
‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND;
YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;
15FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,
WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,
AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,
AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’
16″But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.
17″For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
“To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.”
Do you know that there are some that our Heavenly Father has not called to salvation…?
There are some who will never be saved!
Why won’t they be saved…?
Because there is no place in them for remorse. No place for repentance. To them it has not been granted.
Matthew 13
24Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.
25″But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away.
26″But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.
27″The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’
28″And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’
29″But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them.
30′Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”‘”
36Then He left the crowds and went into the house And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;
39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
40″So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
41″The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43″Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear.
Here is a secret that I wish for everyone to hear…
Verse 37; “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man”
The term ’son of man’…
Most theologians will tell you that Jesus referred to Himself as ‘the’ Son of Man, not ‘a’ Son of Man. And that by doing so, Jesus was calling attention back to the divine end-time figure in Daniel 7. Christianity teaches that YAHU’SHUA referring to Himself as ’son of man’ is Him clearly claiming to be the Messiah.
’son of man’… The term is used By YAHU’SHUA more than 80 times
’son… of… man…’
When you delve in and research the true meaning of this term ‘Son Of Man’ in the original hebrew and Greek languages… It actually means…
Contrary to what the world renown preachers and the famous theologians will tell you…
The term ‘Son of Man’ actually means…
son of man.
Son of Man… Hebrew ‘ben ‘adam’; son of adam – Greek ‘huios anthropos’; son of man
Everybody… All of those who are of the seed of ADAM… from Adam onwards… is a ’son of man’, including YAHU’SHUA Himself.
I know… It’s hard to believe isn’t it.
The church teaches that the ’son of man’ is Jesus and Jesus alone. And in the above verses the statement “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man” is referring to Jesus Himself.
In the book of Ezekiel, YHVH calls Ezekiel ’son of man’ approximately 100 times.
Remember what YAHU’SHUA says in verse 38?
“the field is the world”
The field is NOT the church! The field is the world.
What was sown in the world?
Seed…
Greek – ’sperma’
43″He who has ears, let him hear.”
Do you hear what YAHU’SHUA is telling us here?
Can I make it any plainer?
Seed – Greek; Sperma – the seed i.e. the grain or kernel which contains within itself the germ of the future plants; the semen virile; offspring, descendants, posterity, children.
Verse 38 ‘the tares are “the sons of the evil one”…’
Not followers, not worshippers, not disciples…
SONS.
I don’t know if you have noticed it…
But some people are just plain evil.
Some men can take anothers life for material gain and not feel any remorse whatsoever…
Paedophiles can abduct and torture and rape and murder innocent children and not feel any remorse whatsoever…
False prophets can stand before the congregation and lie in the name of God, preaching a false gospel that involves you giving them all of your money…
One well known preacher said to me once… “When I was in bible college they taught me that my objective as pastor is to feed the sheep and fleece the goats”.
And that is exactly what he did… Although he didn’t stop at just fleecing the goats.
I am not like those men.
I fear YHVH my God and Heavenly Father.
I have a different nature to those men.
Those men have no fear of God…
Apart from the fact that we look like we are of the same species…
It is as if they are a different creature altogether.
Some will say…”Yes… They have a different Spirit”…
But it is more than that.
They have a different Soul.
The Truth Will Make You Free
John 8
31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, ‘You will become free’?”
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
35″The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
36″So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
37″I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.
38″I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.”
39They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father ” Jesus said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham.
40″But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.
41″You are doing the deeds of your father ” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.”
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.
43″Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.
44″You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
There it is again…
“You are of your father the devil”
Not “You are of your master the devil”
You are of your “Father”; Greek – pater; generator or male ancestor, the root word from which we get the words ‘paternal’, ‘paternity’, etc.
Notice what YAHU’SHUA says in verses 34,35… “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.”
Everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. They are slaves to the devil. The slave can be set free but the son remains a son forever. Those who are bound by sin, serving the devil can be set free… But the offspring (sons, children) cannot because it is in their nature, their DNA, their very make-up, to murder, to lie, and to sin.
There are many theories as to how the seed (offspring) of satan may have come to be inhabiting the earth.
- Some Modern theologians believe that satan (as the serpent) was the biological father of Cain (and that was the original sin)…
- According to one popular Jewish Legend Eve wasn’t the first woman at all, but lilith was. According to this Jewish Legend lilith is the vessel that opened the door for the spawn of satan to populate the earth.
- The gnostics believe that Adam and Eve were not created by YHVH ‘elohiym at all but by a lesser, evil demiurge (’elohiym) and thus mankind was created imperfect, with a nature like its demiurge father.
- The bible declares in Genesis 6:2 “that the sons of God (ben ‘elohiym) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.” The word ‘God’ used in this verse makes the Christian automatically think that it is referring to YHVH. But it is not.
Placing the word ‘God’ wherever the original word ‘elohiym is used is not correct. ‘YHVH ‘elohiym’ (YAH WHO IS THE TRUE GOD) is the name that is rendered as ‘Lord God’ in the bible.
According to Strongs Exhaustive Concordance;
‘elohiym -
1) (plural)
a) rulers, judges
b) divine ones
c) angels
d) gods
2) (plural intensive – singular meaning)
a) god, goddess
b) godlike one
c) works or special possessions of God
d) the (true) God
e) God
When you see the word ‘God’ written in the bible without the word ‘Lord’ in front of it, it is not necessarily referring to the Christian ‘God’. The term ‘elohiym by itself has also been translated into english as ‘judges’ (Exd 21:6), ‘angels’ (Psalm 8:5), ‘False Gods’ (Gen 31:30), ‘Godess’ (1Ki 11:5), ect.
The bible tends to use the phrase ‘Lord God’ when referring to ‘YHVH ‘elohiym’
The Book Of Enoch – Section 1 – The Watchers
Chapter 6
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
3 and beget us children.’ And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not
4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then sware they all together and bound themselves
6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn
7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal,
8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.
Chapter 7
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms
2and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they
3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed
4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against
5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
6 fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
As you can see, the phrase ’sons of God’ in Genesis 6:2 could be referring to ’sons of angels’, ’sons of false Gods’, ’sons of divine ones’ or as in the book of Enoch ‘the children of the heaven’.
Whatever it means…It appears from the scriptures that the blood of mankind was definitely tainted and defiled in a way that caused almost all of mankind to to become wicked.
And if the serpent (devil) established a precedent for the Angels (or ‘children of heaven’) whereby they already knew that they could have sex with women and as it states in Enoch verse 3 beget children by them, then some of those parables that YAHU’SHUA taught and the obscure sayings that He said start to make sense.
Let’s take a look at The story of ‘the original sin’ in Genesis chapter 3
Genesis 3
1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Interestingly… That word ’subtil’ (Strong’s H6175 – `aruwm) and the word ‘naked’ as used in Genesis 3:7,11 when it says ‘they knew that they were naked’ and ‘Who told thee that thou wast naked?’ (Strong’s H5903 – `eyrom) come from the same Root Word Strong’s H6191 – `aram.
According to Genesis 3 Eve, tempted by the serpent ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and her eyes were opened, then Eve gave the fruit to Adam and he too ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. There is no mention of Adam and Eve having sex before they ate from the tree. They both seemed to have a childlike innocence when it came to human sexuality. After eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they had an acute awareness of their genitalia and quickly covered themselves with fig leaves, then Adam and Eve heard the Voice of The Lord and they were ashamed and hid themselves.
These factors seems to indicate the “forbidden fruit” and its knowledge of “good and evil” is human sexuality. So often Sex is used for evil, from Prostitution, Adultery, Abortion and satanic ritual to selling toothpaste and teddybears to the $20 billion dollar a year porn industry. Great evil comes from the misuse of this “knowing”.
The shame of Adam and Eve clearly shows a new “knowledge” and awareness of sexuality and their own nakedness.
The word knowledge (Strong’s H1847 – da`ath) used to describe ‘the tree of the knowledge of good and evil’ comes from the Root Word Strong’s H3045 – yada` which is also transliterated as ‘knew’ in Genesis 4:1 And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived.
Now let’s look at what happened next… The Lord asks them what happened and they tell Him.
Then the Lord YHVH declares to the serpent “Because you have done this…
15 I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
Verse 15 clearly states that the serpent (devil) will have offspring (seed, sowing, offspring, semen virile, descendants, posterity, children).
16 To the woman he said,
“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
Both verses 15 and 16 have to do with sexual reproduction. In verse 16 The repercussions of the ‘original sin’ caused YHVH to focus on childbearing and sexual desire. The Punishment upon Eve was pain in childbirth which is directly linked to sexual intercouse and pregnancy. Also her ‘desire’ will now be for her husband and he will now have rule (dominion) over her. This “curse” seems to provide yet more proof that “eating the forbidden fruit” does represent sex and desire.
Next we see that in verse 20 ‘Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living’. The ‘original sin’ caused Adam to name his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all the living. Keep in mind that the bible does not state that Adam and Eve had ‘known’ each other yet.
Subsequent to their eating of ‘the forbidden fruit’, Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden and no longer allowed to reach out their hand and take from the tree of life and eat, and live forever;
It was at this point that Adam ‘knew’ his wife; Genesis 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the LORD.”
It seems clear that when Eve and then Adam ate of the “forbidden fruit” and this activated their human sexuality. Adam and Eve had sexual intercourse (”knowing”) and Eve conceived and gave birth to a son whom she named CAIN. The name Cain means ‘possession’. A rather impersonal name. The Gesenius’s Lexicon elaborates on these verses saying; “she bare Cain (a creature [rather a posession]), and said, I have created [rather posessed or acquired] a man by the help of YHVH”.
2Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel.
There is no record in Gen:4 that Adam knew his wife a second time before she conceived and bore a second son, Abel. Gen:4 simply states that “Eve again bore a son and named him Abel”. The name Abel means ‘Breath’.
It seems clear that Eve had twins, Cain the first born and Abel the second born. This brings us to a modern day medical discovery.
In recent years, the medical world discovered a reproductive phenomenon known as “twinning”. This is when a woman can become pregnant with twins that come from two seperate fathers. This rare occurance would happen if a woman has sexual intercourse and is impregnated by MALE #1, then within up to 14 days later she has sexual intercourse with MALE #2 and conceives a second child in her womb.
It is very possible that Satan (the serpent) tempted Eve to eat the ‘forbidden fruit’ for his own agenda. Once Eve became sexually aroused, Satan had sex with Eve and she became pregnant with Cain. The Serpent (satan) could create a “new” race of humans, in his own twisted “image and likeness”, an army of his own children to make war with and rule over God’s creation.
After Eve became impregnated by the serpent, she then gave Adam the ‘fruit’ and he ate it. Adam became sexually aroused, had sexual intercourse with Eve and she became pregnant with Abel. Now Eve had twins growing within her womb, Twinning, the first fathered by Satan (Cain) and the second fathered by Adam (Abel) up to 14 days later.
Once again, Eve’s Punishment was pain in childbirth. This does seem that it could be the direct result of Eve 1) eating the ‘forbidden fruit’, 2) having Sex with the serpent and 3) becoming pregnant with his “seed”, his brood of vipers, the ’sons of the evil one’ that YAHU’SHUA refers to on the Gospels.
CRIME OF CAIN
We read in Gen:4 that Cain, in a jealous rage, killed his brother, Abel. When The Lord questioned Cain as to the whereabouts of his brother , Cain said, “Am I my brother’s keeper?” (how should I know?)
So here we see Cain committing Murder and then lying about it. In The Gospel of John, YAHU’SHUA says; John 8:44″You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Like father like son? It does seem as though Cain was following in the footsteps of “His Father”, a psychopathic “Archangel”. If true, this does make the devil’s sins with Eve all the more sickening and evil.
John the Baptist declared to the Pharisees and Sadducees in Matthew 3:7
“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?” The King James version translates it as “O generation of vipers”.
O generation;
1) that which has been born or begotten
a) the offspring or progeny of men or animals
b) the fruits of the earth, the produce of agriculture
AV — fruit
of vipers;
1) a viper, offspring of vipers, venomous snake
a) addressed to cunning, malignant, wicked men
YAHU’SHUA reiterates this sentiment to the Pharisees in Matthew 12:34
“You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.”
And again in Matthew 23:33 YAHU’SHUA declares to the scribes and Pharisees;
“You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?”
Do you see the overall theme here…
The Religious order of the day (Particularly the Pharisees) were, according to YAHU’SHUA, the ’sons of the evil one’ (tares) referred to in Matthew 13:38. According to the scriptures… They were the ‘literal’ seed or offspring of satan.
As a side note… It is important to realize here that Saul/Paul was a Pharisee…
The Pharisees were the seed of their father, the devil, he was a murderer and a liar from the beginning. There is no repentance available for him nor his seed.
Regardless of how this offspring of the devil came about… The fact is that they did. YAHU’SHUA testifies of this fact when He explains the parable of the seed and the sower privately to His disciples. Matt 13:38″and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one”;
43″He who has ears, let him hear.”
Snakes do not have outer ears, they do not have ear holes and they don’t have ear drums- instead they hear with inner ears, which pick up vibrations from the ground through the head and belly. Serpents and vipers don’t have ‘ears’ to hear.
Snakes (serpents) have neither tears nor eyelids. Their eyes are covered by a clear scale, much like the scales that cover the rest of their bodies. 18And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, (Acts 9:18) Sound familiar?
YAHU’SHUA said:
“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
So What must I do to be Saved…?
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6″That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:3-6)
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water ****and of the Spirit****, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 *****That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.*******
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: ****so is every one that is born of the Spirit.****
God is Spirit
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God is also known as ‘Father’ and ‘Holy Ghost’ and ‘Word’ (NB all ‘Spirit’ and NOT physical ie NOT flesh Jesus)
1JN 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Now here is what flesh Jesus tells us:
JN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: ****the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit,**** and [they] are life.
ie Jesus was sharing Spirit ****God**** with us as Words (God among us as promised)
PROV 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, ****I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you****.
We must be re-born in Spirit/God’s Words
MT 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but ***the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you****.
JN 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Seed parables:
MK 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
Look at the key we were given: MK 4:14 The sower soweth ***the word****.
(the word is spirit and is God)
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
remember that Jesus did NOT sow physical children, but rather sowed God’s Words/Spirit
God’s Words/Spirit grow in soft ground and produce GOOD fruit (only God is good and He does the works which glorify Him)
MT 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your ***good **** works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
LK 6:45 A good man out of the ***good treasure of his heart **** bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of ****the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh**** .
MT 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but ****the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you*****.
JN 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? ***the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works****.
From the key which Jesus gave us, we know the sower sows the Word (not physical children) and we know the word is Spirit.
Let’s see what else Jesus tells us about sowing God’s Spirit Words:
MT 13:38 The field is the world; the ****good seed are the children of the kingdom*****; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];
ie ***GOOD*** (only God is GOOD) seed sown (God’s Words) are called ‘the children of the Kingdom’ while bad seed/tares are destructive alternative to God’s life-giving Words which were sown … ie they are LIES!
JN 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for ****he is a liar, and the father of it******.
The children of the devil are destructive lies.
MT 13:25 But while men slept, ***his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat****, and went his way.
Jesus sowed God’s True Words/good seed/children of the Kingdom, while the enemy sowed tares/lies/children of the devil
When the time is right the offending children are removed and the good ones shine like the sun in the Kingdom … how true. Lies and truth grow together within til God uses His messengers to get rid of the offending offspring
LK 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, ****the kingdom of God is within you*****.
IS 59:21 As for me, this [is] my covenant with them, saith the LORD; ***My spirit that [is] upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever. ****
MK 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
MT 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Good and bad are spirit within
Angels (lit: messengers) may be good or bad spirit:
PS 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
2COR 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger (G32 angelos/angel) of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
MT 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels (G32 angelos/angels), and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (G458 lawlessness);
Jesus came to save us from lawlessness/sin … within us.
God’s children are life-giving spirit and words, while the devils children are destructive spirit and words
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Jesus did not sow physical children, but came to enable us to be re-born in Spirit by God’s Words. JAS 1:18 Of his own will ***begat he us with the word of truth****, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
May Ya be praised for allowing us to hear His Words so as to embrace His Spirit within. It is true that some evil people are not granted opportunity of repentance eg Judas and those who choose hardened destructive paths. May Ya save us from our sins acording to the name Ya Hoshua. MT 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: ****for he shall save his people from their sins****.
Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia( lit ‘praise Ya); Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
God is a Spirit
JOB 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
YHVH is the God of spirits of all flesh:
NUM 16:22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, ***the God of the spirits of all flesh***, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?
NUM 27:16 Let the LORD, ***the God of the spirits of all flesh***, set a man over the congregation,
Does Genesis only discuss the literal physical?
Scripture refers to some people as trees (eg Ezek 31).
IS 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called ***trees of righteousness***, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Trees are known by fruit. A blind man who Jesus healed recognised people as trees walking. Were the life tree and deadly knowledge trees a form of vegetation or something different? Why did Jesus discuss plant life so frequently in parables, while unfolding the mysteries of the kingdom, which had been hidden since the foundation of the world? MT 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
God deliberately placed 2 opposing trees within Paradise: the life tree and the deadly knowledge tree.
Here is an interesting quote from the Dead Sea Scrolls: God “created man to rule the world and placed within him two spirits so that he would walk with them until the moment of his visitation: they are the spirits of truth and of deceit. In the hand of the Prince of Lights is dominion over all the sons of justice. . . And in the hand of the Angel of Darkness is total dominion over the sons of deceit. . . [God] created the spirits of light and of darknesss and on them established all his deeds” (1 QS III 17-25; Florentino Garcia Martinez, trans., The Dead Sea Scrolls Translated [trans. by W. G. E. Watson; Leiden: Brill, 1994], p. 6).
IS 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
Do we have 2 opposing natures? Is one base nature/natural, while God calls us to be over/ rise above nature like God is? (Nature is survival of the fittest, while God promotes care of the frailest. Circumcision etc isn’t ‘natural’ either. )
Was Peter speaking from base nature/being ‘natural’ when he desired Jesus to not die? It’s a very natural thing to desire, yet God had a higher purpose to be achieved which opposed base nature/natural
MT 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
MK 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Eve is the mother of the living. GEN 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Jesus said some animated people are dead, but was not speaking literally physically. There is enmity between the woman’s offspring (man) and the serpent’s offspring (beast) … rather than enmity between the woman’s offspring from possible different physical sources
Gen 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”
ECCLES 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Scripture assures us that Adam physically fathered Cain.
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Cain had the opportunity to be righteous, but gave into evil, rather than making the effort to overcome it
GEN 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
The serpent is literally ‘the whisperer’.
The serpent was not a beast of the field, since it was more subtle than them: GEN 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. …
Was the Paradise whisperer internal spirit or external physical?
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of ***his own lust, and enticed***.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The ***serpent beguiled me***, and I did eat.
Was any outcome of conception internal spirit or external physical?
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath ***conceived, it bringeth forth sin***: and sin, when it is finished, ****bringeth forth death****.
Literal snakes do not eat literal dust as per Gen 3:14, yet spiritual serpents do … they consume the lifeless so are ‘full of dead men’s bones’ (spiritually rather than literally)
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. … 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
God can restore us to life and save us from serpents
JAS 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
MT 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.
MT 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
Simply things to consider simply?
Yah Bless
Genesis 5
1 This is the written account of Adam’s line.
When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them “man”.
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
5 Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.
Notice that there is no mention of Cain in the written account of Adam’s line in Genesis Chapter 5.
The term “Son of man” does not automatically refer only to YAHUSHUA.
“Son of man”:
Hebrew = ben adam (son of Adam)
Greek = huios anthrōpos (son of a human-being)
The Hebrew gospel of Matthew as translated by JOÃO PAULO FERNANDES PONTES tells us that the “Good seed” was sown by God.
“Words” are never referred to as “sons” anywhere in the bible.
When we look at the original sin and the punishment for the original sin… Just about Everything has to do with sexual reproduction.
Genesis 3:
15And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed;
He shall bruise you on the head,
And you shall bruise him on the heel.”
The seed spoken of here is the seed that reproduces after its own kind. The womans seed is referred to as ‘He’. The serpent also has natural ‘flesh’ seed on this earth. When YHVH says “I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed”, the word enmity means ‘hatred’.
16To the woman He said,
“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.”
I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth
– Childbirth only comes about after sexual intercourse.
– Yet Adam had not yet ‘KNOWN’ Eve.
Genesis 3:
20Now the man called his wife’s name Eve,
because she was the mother of all the living.
– Yet Adam had not yet ‘KNOWN’ Eve.
The “seed” in Genesis 3 has to do with physical seed, not words.
Genesis 6
The Corruption of Mankind
1Now it came about, when men (son of man – Matt 13 / children of men – Enoch 6) began to multiply (wheat) on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
2that the sons of God (the devil – Matt 13 / children of the heaven – Enoch 6) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
3Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them (Tares). Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
The Book of Enoch
Chapter 6:
1 And it came to pass when the children of men (son of man – Matt 13 / men – Gen 6) had multiplied (Wheat) that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the angels, the children of the heaven (the devil – Matt 13 / sons of God – Gen 6), saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
3 and beget us children (Tares).’ And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not
4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then sware they all together and bound themselves
6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn
7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal,
8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.
As does the seed in Matthew 13:
37And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man (men – Gen 6:1 / children of men – Enoch 6:1),
38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed (Gen 6:1 / Enoch 6:1), these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares (Gen 6:4 / Enoch 6:3) are the sons of the evil one;
39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil (sons of God – Gen 6:2 / children of the heaven Enoch 6:2),
40″So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
41″The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43″Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear.
It is not words that are going to be thrown into the furnace of fire and burned at the end of the age. Words don’t weep and gnash their teeth.
Revelation 14
14Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.
15And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe.”
16Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.
17And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle.
18Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe.”
19So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
20And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.
Neither do “words” bleed enough blood that it will rise up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.
Only physical bodies have teeth to gnash and blood to bleed.
Two different parables – two different seeds.
Parable of the seed and the sower:
Seed = Strong’s G4687 – speirō
1) to sow, scatter, seed
2) metaph. of proverbial sayings
Parable of Tares among Wheat:
Seed = Strong’s G4690 – sperma
1) from which a plant germinates
a) the seed i.e. the grain or kernel which contains within itself the germ of the future plants
1) of the grains or kernels sown
b) metaph. a seed i.e. a residue, or a few survivors reserved as the germ of the next generation (just as seed is kept from the harvest for the sowing)
2) the semen virile
a) the product of this semen, seed, children, offspring, progeny
b) family, tribe, posterity
c) whatever possesses vital force or life giving power
1) of divine energy of the Holy Spirit operating within the soul by which we are regenerated
We must receive the Seed (speirō) word of the kingdom,
So that we can receive the seed (sperma) of the Holy Spirit operating within the soul by which we are regenerated.
John 3:
5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
It is true that ’son of man’ as wriiten in the bible in general, may not always refer to Jesus only, but when Jesus uses that term, he is usually referring specifically to himself only
MT 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that ****I ***the Son of man am?
small example below of the majority of term usage, where there is no doubt that Jesus is referring to himself only. (Other less specific verses are a minority)
MT 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
MT 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
MT 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
MT 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
MT 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
MT 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
MT 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
MT 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
MT 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
MT 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
MT 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
MT 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
MT 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
MT 26:2 Ye know that after two days is [the feast of] the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
MT 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
MT 26:45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take [your] rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
MT 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat (G616 breed, generate) he us ***with the word of truth****, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
God did not produce His spiritual offspring by sexual means, but instead generated us by ‘the word of truth’ (much like God created light by His Word)
Jesus sowed God’s Words of Truth. Jesus did not sow physical babies in the physical earth.
Jesus assured us that what is born flesh is flesh and flesh profits nothing.
Jesus told many seed parables eg:
Mar 4:31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds (G4690 sperma: something sown ie ’seed’, including male sperm…) that be in the earth:
This parable was about a small plant seed rather than a male sperm
The fact that sperm are one sort of G4690 seed which can be sown, does not mean that grain parables are about male sperm, and in fact Jesus assures us that his teachings are NOT about flesh or genetics.
James tells us a couple of different forms of birth:
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he (G616) us ****with the word of truth****, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
or
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth (G616) death.
a live birth or a dead birth
… neither involve physical intercourse, but one birth is conceived by God’s Words (which Jesus clarified that he sowed in a grain parable MK 4:14 The sower soweth the word. ) while the other is conceived by an alternative within
The method of sowing which the sower used in the grain parables was called ‘broadcasting’ which is also a method used to spread plant seeds and also words/news these days. Broadcasting involves tossing seeds or words where ever they may land and allowing the outcome to be whatever it will be … the earth has been broadcast with all sorts of seeds and words and they have fallen on all sorts of ground and have produced a variety of results.
MK 4:33 And with many such parables spake he ***the word*** unto them, as they were able to hear [it].
Parables Jesus spoke were ‘the Word’
LK 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
JN 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh ***the words of God***: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
1Pe 1:23 Being ***born again****, not of corruptible seed (G4701 a sowing), but of incorruptible, *****by the word of God*****, which liveth and abideth for ever.
The word of God was sown, whether it was called seed or children. Jesus frequently used the term ‘children’ in interesting ways where no sperm was involved eg
MT 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that ***God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham***.
(no sperm involved in the concept of turning stones into children)
LK 7:35 But ****wisdom is justified of all her children****.
(wisdom is not a physical entity which reproduces by sexual means)
MT 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take ***the children’s bread***, and to cast [it] to dogs.
(had nothing to do with children or bread or sperm)
JN 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be ***the children of light****. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
(light does not reproduce by sperm or have physical children)
When we consider the entire gospel message in context, we see that God’s Words were sown and that sometimes abstract concepts are called ‘children’ by Jesus. We know that Jesus did not sow babies in the dirt.
Sometimes the term ‘children of the Kingdom’ has negative connotations when referring to the physical rather than the spiritual eg:
MT 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
When we consider all the interesting terminology which Jesus used and his over-all message, we cannot deny that he sowed/broadcast God’s Words of Truth which can regenerate/re-birth us … we must be born again.
It is true that Jesus was not descended from Cain, but Cain’s line was wiped out in the flood, so that people became descendants of Noah, who was the son of Lamech the greater killer than Cain
GEN 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
GEN 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
Revelation is a prophetic book which has interesting visions, including a woman who was clothed with the sun while standing on the moon. This is imagery and not literal. The blood up to the bridles is also part of Rev imagery.
Regarding Eve and ‘conception’ (H2032), the conception discussed in James is also the word associated with physical womb birth, yet is used by the righteous one to assure us that it also refers to abstract concepts not involving sex or sperm. I believe James.
Throughout scripture God discusses whoredom and it’s not physical promiscuity which offends God as much as spiritual promiscuity does.
HOS 5:4 They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms [is] in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD.
NAHUM 3:4 Because of the multitude of the whoredoms of the wellfavoured harlot, the mistress of witchcrafts, that selleth nations through her whoredoms, and families through her witchcrafts.
HOS 4:14 I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people [that] doth not understand shall fall.
May God lead us into truth
peace
Glenda
Two different parables – two different seeds.
The use of the word ’speirō’ in the first parable does not set a precedent for the second parable use of the word ’sperma’ as meaning ’speirō’ as well. They are two different words. They have two different meanings.
That is like me trying to convince you that the two sentences;
1. Listen to my ’speirō’
2. Listen to my ’sperma’
mean exactly the same thing.
They don’t. The two sentences mean two completely different things.
1. Listen to my proverbial sayings
2. Listen to my seed, children, offspring, progeny.
Parable of the seed and the sower:
Seed = Strong’s G4687 – speirō
1) to sow, scatter, seed
2) metaph. of proverbial sayings
The seed here explicitly has to do with the sowing of proverbial sayings; i.e. the word of the kingdom (as YAHU’SHUA explained).
Parable of Tares among Wheat:
Seed = Strong’s G4690 – sperma
1) from which a plant germinates
a) the seed i.e. the grain or kernel which contains within itself the germ of the future plants
1) of the grains or kernels sown
b) metaph. a seed i.e. a residue, or a few survivors reserved as the germ of the next generation (just as seed is kept from the harvest for the sowing)
2) the semen virile
a) the product of this semen, seed, children, offspring, progeny
b) family, tribe, posterity
c) whatever possesses vital force or life giving power
1) of divine energy of the Holy Spirit operating within the soul by which we are regenerated
The seed here explicitly has to do with a germination of a seed that has within itself the power to reproduce of itself. the word (sperma) is a word that related explicitly to physical things and has to do with reproduction – e.g. a plant germinates – the grain or kernel which contains within itself the germ of the future plants – the actual physical grains or kernels sown – as a metaphore; the germ of the next generation – the semen virile – the product of this semen, seed, children, offspring, progeny – family, tribe, posterity.
We can not change what YAHU’SHUA said to suit our own doctrines.
He said it. He used those two distinctly different words. Not me.
When we are born again. It is a living seed that germinates within us. We hear about the kingdom of heaven through the use of words. But The kingdom of heaven that is like a mustard seed is not words. The seed of the Holy Spirit is not words.
The most common use of the word ’seed’ in the bible is to refer to offspring. Children. It has to do with the father-son relationship.
I’m sorry… but I can not agree with you that the word ’sperma’ means ‘words’.
“We can not change what YAHU’SHUA said to suit our own doctrines.”
He said:
Mar 4:31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the *****seeds (G4690 sperma: something sown ie ’seed’, including male sperm…) that be in the earth******:
This parable is about the tiniest known plant seed growing ****in the earth**** (not in a womb) into a large ***plant**** which birds could shelter in
Mar 4:31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:
Mar 4:32 But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.
Mar 4:33 And with many such (G5108 ‘of this sort’) parables spake he the word unto them, as ****they***** were able to hear it.
‘They’ were country folk who knew about plants and plant seeds. ‘They’ weren’t subtle or well educated town people likening plant seeds to male sperm.
Also, Jesus didn’t speak Greek. We have that Greek word for ’seed’ (G4690) which is ‘a sowing’. The Hebrew equivalent is H2233 from H2232 ie a ’seed’ from ‘a sowing’:
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed (H2233), which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat (H402 ‘food’).
Jesus discussed things ‘as people could hear them’ eg he discussed rural topics with rural people. Jesus discussed fishing topics with fishing people.
MT 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
MT 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
The audience were simple people (considered ‘idiots’) rather than educated or Greek subtle-thinkers.
Act 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned (G62 ‘illiterate’) and ignorant (G2399 ‘idiot’) men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
If Jesus wished to discuss male sperm then his stories would have been about male sperm issues to an audience ***who could hear*** and understand this concept, rather than tell a male sperm story to an audience of agricultural-seed-planting people.
Jesus began his stories with ‘The Kingdom of Heaven ****is like****’ … and chose simple ‘likenesses’ his simple audience were familiar with so could ‘hear’.
MT 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
MT 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
MT 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
MT 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
MT 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
MT 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
MT 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man [that is] an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
MT 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
The topics were not aimed at ‘the wise and prudent’.
MT 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent (G4908 ‘mentally together’), and hast revealed them unto babes.
LK 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
To promote plant-seed parables spoken to simple rural people, as male sperm issues, is not a simple concept aimed at babes. Simple Aramaic rural people did not use complicated educated or philosophical Greek thinking. A plant seed broadcast/sown ‘in a field’ or ‘in the earth’ would not equate to male sperm which God condemns being spilled on the ground, let alone broadcast/thrown in a field or over the greater earth at random.
Jesus told one sower/seed parable and immediately after it he assured his disciples that ALL parables were related:
MK 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not ****this**** parable? and how then will ye know ****all**** parables?
Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.
Either ALL parables were about God’s True Words or ALL parables were about male sperm. I believe the multiple bible witness accounts that Jesus spread God’s Words and I believe that sometimes Jesus used the word ‘children’ in regard to things that had nothing to do with sex or male sperm eg ‘wisdom’ has children. LK 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
“We can not change what YAHU’SHUA said to suit our own doctrines.”
He said:
JN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: *****the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit,****** and [they] are ****life*****.
The seed of the Holy Spirit which Jesus sowed were words.
JN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: *****the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit,****** and [they] are life.
Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.
JAS 1:18 Of his own will ***begat he us with the word**** of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Seed is a beginning which grows within and produces fruit.
MT 13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
I cannot agree that the living Spirit words which Jesus sowed are exempt from *ALL* parables which even include the seed/sperma ones (mustard seed or tares ‘parables’ which were among ‘all’ parables)
A father-son relationship with God has nothing to do with sperm or worldly relationships and instead has everything to do with the Spirit of God sown/broadcast by Jesus as words according to Jesus. His teachings are the primary focus and should be the standard the remainder of scripture is filtered through after ensuring he verifies scripture and is thus a true witness: Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
LK 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
It doesn’t matter if much scriptural discussion of seed refers to plants or people. What matters is what Jesus explained and prioritized and Jesus did NOT prioritize earthly relationships or tell us seed he discussed in parables was male sperm
Jesus did not even prioritise non-parable ‘children of the kingdom’ MT 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I can agree to disagree with brethren in goodwill
peace to you
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It is true that Jesus was not descended from Cain, but Cain’s line was wiped out in the flood, so that people became descendants of Noah, who was the son of Lamech the greater killer than Cain
GEN 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
GEN 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
Noah was not the son of Lamech.
The lineages of Seth and Cain have a lot of similar names in them.
Reading Genesis 4 from verse 16 you see that Lamech was of the seed line of cain.
Nor was Cains line wiped out in the flood.
Jewish Midrash teachings state that Noahs wife was called Na’amah and that she was of the seed of Cain.
The seed of Cain was also continued through the wife of Ham.
Mentions of Nephalim (Giants) after the flood include:
The descendants of Ham – Numbers 13:1-2, 32-33
The Rephaim – Deuteronomy 2:19-21
Og king of Bashan – Deuteronomy 3:11
Goliath – 1 Sam.17:4
Other references:
Genesis 14:5
Dt.2:10-11
Dt.2:20-21
Thank you for this information. It is good to have facts clarified and gain correction. Thank you
It is also good to have priority focus and I’m glad that we share priority focus of heeding and following Jesus as our only teacher and master, so that we are not distracted away from God’s life-saving words and actions through Jesus, who is the beneficial fulfillment of life-saving scripture.
I don’t need to concern myself with the evils of others. The only evil I need to concern myself with is any that tries to force itself into my mind and heart to distract me … such can remain wailing and ranting outside while I priority focus on internalising the teachings of the one appointed and anointed by God to lead us.
May we keep his words within us so we grow and produce good fruit. May we give comforting aid to victims of evil, as the good Samaritan did. May we benefit the poor and hungry and thirsty as God intends. Jesus focused on and promoted these things as prioity.
Jesus didn’t promote old traditional religious beliefs … you have heard it was said but I say … I’m heeding Jesus over mishna and topics Jesus didn’t promote.
You said “So here we see Cain committing Murder and then lying about it. In The Gospel of John, YAHU’SHUA says; John 8:44″You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
I agree totally! Did you take in that final term … the father of lies
ie the devil is the father of lies
ie the devil’s children are lies
Jesus also calls them tares
I’m so grateful the bible gives us insight to ancient concepts and terminology used in parables.
Jesus did not embrace or promote ancient religious traditional beliefs such as those you present. Scripture actually says that Cain could be accepted if he did well. Scripture does not promote that Cain was half-humna-half-snake and was automatically condemned. Best we stick with the teachings of Jesus and not concern ourselves with things that Jesus did not concern himself with. It is enough to beome more like our master and not distract anyone with alternatives
peace, Glenda
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Best we stick with the teachings of Jesus and not concern ourselves with things that Jesus did not concern himself with.
YAHU’SHUA was VERY concerned with revealing who the serpents (children of the devil) were.
Matthew 23:33
“You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?”
Matthew 12:34
“You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.”
John 8:44″You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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I don’t need to concern myself with the evils of others. The only evil I need to concern myself with is any that tries to force itself into my mind and heart to distract me … such can remain wailing and ranting outside while I priority focus on internalising the teachings of the one appointed and anointed by God to lead us.
Maybe your concern is for yourself only and not the evils of others.
But mine isn’t.
Some people are trying to understand why they must be born again.
Some people are trying to understand why they sometimes act like the devil.
*** EDIT: Maybe your concern is for yourself only (with regard to evil) and not the evils of others. ***
Mine is for others.
The word used in the parable of the wheat and the tares is ’sperma’.
NOT sperm.
You seem to have taken issue with it.
The word children in the parable means ’son’.
Not ‘words’. SON.
‘One born by a father and of a mother’!
‘A descendant’!
Nothing To Do With Words!
Strong’s G5207 – huios
It refers to a MAN!
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‘They’ were country folk who knew about plants and plant seeds. ‘They’ weren’t subtle or well educated town people likening plant seeds to male sperm.
I must say that I found your inuendo that I am subtle a little disheartening Glenda.
I expected more from you than that.
But to set things straight; I too, am what most would consider an unlearned man. I left school when I was 14 and I worked in the farming/agricultural industry for more than 11 years. Through ‘hands-on’ experience, I think I know what a seed is.
When I first read the parable of the wheat and the tares more than twenty years ago I knew that YAHU’SHUA was speaking about men.
30′Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”‘”
Words don’t grow. Men do.
Words will not be harvested by the reapers. Men will.
Words will not be thrown into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Men will be.
Words will not be gathered into His barn. Men will.
And in the explanation of the parable, It becomes even more obvious that He is talking about men.
38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;
Words are not ’sperma’. Men are.
words are not sons. Men are.
41″The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Words do not commit lawlessness. Men do.
43″Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear.
Words will not shine forth as the sun in the kingdom. Men will.
Words do not have a Father. Men do.
Even an unlearned man of the time understood that.
Psalm 105:6
O seed of Abraham, His servant,O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones!
Acts 3:
24″And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days.
25″It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘AND IN YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.’
26″For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”
Acts 7:5
And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
Acts 7:6
And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
Acts 13:23
Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
You can see plainly what the disciples understanding of the term ‘seed‘ was.
They did Not think that ’sperma’ meant ‘words’.
HalleluYah!
The correct teaching of “Serpent Seed Doctrine” reveals what really happened in the begining and gives a lesson that ones have to have have faith/faithfulness to the pure Word of YHWH.
What You Must Do to Be Saved
Best of all, the promise of eternal life is a gift, freely offered to us by God (CCC 1727).
The Catholic Church teaches what the apostles taught and what the Bible teaches: We are saved by grace alone, but not by faith alone (which is what “Bible Christians” teach; see James. 2:24).
When we come to God and are justified (that is, enter a right relationship with God), nothing preceding justification, whether faith or good works, earns grace. But then God plants his love in our hearts, and we should live out our faith by doing acts of love (Gal. 6:2).
Even though only God’s grace enables us to love others, these acts of love please him, and he promises to reward them with eternal life (Rom. 2:6–7, Gal. 6:6–10).
Thus good works are meritorious. When we first come to God in faith, we have nothing in our hands to offer him.
Then he gives us grace to obey his commandments in love, and he rewards us with salvation when we offer these acts of love back to him (Rom. 2:6–11, Gal. 6:6–10, Matt. 25:34–40).
15 Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.
16 Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father. (Matthew 5: 15-16)
Jesus said it is not enough to have faith in him; we also must obey his commandments. “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but do not do the things I command?” (Luke 6:46, Matt. 7:21–23, 19:16–21).
We do not “earn” our salvation through good works (Eph. 2:8–9, Rom. 9:16), but our faith in Christ puts us in a special grace-filled relationship with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our faith, will be rewarded with eternal life (Rom. 2:7, Gal. 6:8–9).
Paul said, “God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work” (Phil. 2:13).
John explained that “the way we may be sure that we know him is to keep his commandments. Whoever says, ‘I know him,’ but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:3–4, 3:19–24, 5:3–4).
Since no gift can be forced on the recipient—gifts always can be rejected—even after we become justified, we can throw away the gift of salvation.
We throw it away through grave (mortal) sin (John 15:5–6, Rom. 11:22–23, 1 Cor. 15:1–2; CCC 1854–1863). Paul tells us, “The wages of sin is death” (Rom. 6:23).
Read his letters and see how often Paul warned Christians against sin! He would not have felt compelled to do so if their sins could not exclude them from heaven (see, for example, 1 Cor. 6:9–10, Gal. 5:19–21).
Paul reminded the Christians in Rome that God “will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life for those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness” (Rom. 2:6–8).
Sins are nothing but evil works (CCC 1849–1850). We can avoid sins by habitually performing good works.
Every saint has known that the best way to keep free from sins is to embrace regular prayer, the sacraments (the Eucharist first of all), and charitable acts.