Leviticus 27:32
And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto YHVH.

If you run your herd of cows through a crush and count them under a rod and count only 9 cows, because the tenth shall be holy unto YHVH, you do not qualify to tithe. If you have 11 cows, when you run them through a crush and under the rod which ever one is the tenth one under the rod shall be holy unto YHVH (i.e. your tithe).

The Lord does however ask for the the first offspring of every beast that you own.
Exodus 13:12
you shall devote to the LORD the first offspring of every womb, and the first offspring of every beast that you own; the males belong to YHVH.

Tithing is all about sharing. In the modern church, tithing should be all about feeding the poor, the widows and the orphans.

Our Heavenly Father did not ordain the tithe to be a burden on the poor, but a blessing for them.

There is much, much more to scriptural tithing than the 10% rule spouted by the modern church. Most of the ministers who preach tithing and line their pockets with the proceeds thereof have no right to the God ordained tithe whatsoever.

The God ordained tithe is a love (agapē) feast.

If i have 9 cows,what is the 10% of those cows

Thank you immensely for studying and sharing the meaning of agape to include love feasts, which expands the word way beyond what I was aware of. It is even more beautiful than I had previously realised and the verses you used as examples highlight this.

“I believe that YHVH will establish a church that has nothing to do with money and nothing to do with Paul. I believe that this church will have everything to do with tithing food and fellowship, with affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love, love feasts for one another and the TRUE teachings of YAHU’SHUA HA MASHIACH.”
Agreement/unity.
God produces good food, both physical and spiritual. You have already brought one sort of food to the table and shared … living bread. You have included widows in the feast. I needed this more than bakery produce. Thank you.

As an aside, money is interesting. God in scripture does discuss beneficial uses of money eg as a trading utility for food or life etc and Jesus discussed when to take a purse, so maybe the issue could involve service? … whether money serves the person or instead whether a person serves money (like any idol eg people must serve loved ornaments by dusting them etc, while an ornament doesn’t love and does nothing useful to serve a person)? Can’t serve 2 masters. When people worship money, they seem to focus on accumulating it and work themselves to death to do so. No rest. Another aspect is ‘render to Caesar what has his image and render to God what is His’ … and that’s not a copy of any worshipped Roman icon (could include Paul maybe?)

“Lawlessness is increased by the lying Pauline doctrine. The Law is only a burden for those who desire to be lawless. For those who desire to please YHVH the Law is a guiding light. ”
TRUTH!
There is much hope though, because I was a blind lawless snake-bitten Paulist and was brought to repentance and healing by looking to Yeshua/Jesus. May others also be healed. We need to bring our sick for healing and often this equates to loving enemies who hurt us. It’s what Jesus prayed for his tormentors. Sadly I often find this very difficult … but not impossible. May I become more like our Master with much more ready grace.

“It is my hope that through this website people will be encouraged to become followers of “The Way” that Yahu’shua lived and preached. That friendships will be formed and that a congregation will be established according to the will of the Father.”

I hope the same. May God’s Will be done in this. May He be pleased to establish His Name here. I’ll share in prayer accordingly in the Son’s name.
MT 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
JN 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
MK 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

peace, blessings and gratitide to you …
YHVH bless you, and keep you;
YHVH make His face shine on you,
And be gracious to you;
YHVH lift up His countenance on you,
And give you peace

You are right… Tithing is a wonderful law. And when we tithe in the correct scriptural manner according to the law, it has the potential to bring great joy to all involved.

As you said… The tithe IS all about love and fellowship.
It has nothing to do with giving 10% of your income before tax as those thieving Pauline preachers are propagating.
Matthew 23:4
“They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.

Scriptural tithing is all about affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love… not money.

Here is something VERY interesting that I found!
In the ‘New Testament’ the word ‘agapē’ (love) has that exact meaning;
1) affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love
2) love feasts
Concordance

It adds new meaning to a lot of the scriptures about agapē ‘love’.

John 13:35
“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love, love feasts for one another.

Luke 11:42
“But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithe of mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

and yet disregard justice and the affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love, love feasts of God

Matthew 24:12-14

“Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.

Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love, love feasts will grow cold

13″But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

14″This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Lawlessness is increased by the lying Pauline doctrine. The Law is only a burden for those who desire to be lawless. For those who desire to please YHVH the Law is a guiding light. The tithe has been changed from a love feast to a heavy burden by the money hungry liars.

I believe that today our Heavenly Father is calling His children out of the harlot christian churches. I believe He is wanting to establish a new church. Not church in a building that was built by men with the money that should have been used to help the poor, the sick, the widows and the orphans. Not church with a preacher at the pulpit telling the congregation what to believe and that they should give 10 percent of their money to him and if they don’t they are stealing from God. I believe that YHVH will establish a church that has nothing to do with money and nothing to do with Paul. I believe that this church will have everything to do with tithing food and fellowship, with affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love, love feasts for one another and the TRUE teachings of YAHU’SHUA HA MASHIACH.

I imagine a time when followers of ‘The Way’ (as the original disciples were called) will come together regularly for feasts and festivities, for caring and sharing, in thankfulness for the provision that our heavenly Father has blessed us with. A time when the poor and the rich will bring a blessing of food to the table for all to share and all will remember how good YHVH has been and is to us. That through these love feasts (or tithes) a bond will be formed between genuine people who are desiring to be pleasing in our Fathers sight.

John 17:20-23
20″I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22″The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
(Loved in verse 23 means: to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, to love dearly) Notice Yahu’shua states in verse 21 “so that the world may believe that You sent Me” and then He repeats Himself or reinforces the fact in verse 23 “so that the world may know that You sent Me”.

By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love, love feasts for one another.

Agapē love involves food. It involves affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love… And food shared in loving fellowship.

It is my hope that through this website people will be encouraged to become followers of “The Way” that Yahu’shua lived and preached. That friendships will be formed and that a congregation will be established according to the will of the Father.

Deuteronomy 12:5-8
5″But you shall seek the YHVH at the place which YHVH your God will choose from all your tribes, to establish His name there for His dwelling, and there you shall come.
6″There you shall bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the contribution of your hand, your votive offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock.
7″There also you and your households shall eat before YHVH your God, and rejoice in all your undertakings in which YHVH your God has blessed you.
8″You shall not do at all what we are doing here today, every man doing whatever is right in his own eyes;
(verse 7″There also you and your households shall eat before the LORD your God, and rejoice in all your undertakings in which YHVH your God has blessed you.)

Deuteronomy 12:18
“But you shall eat them before YHVH your God in the place which YHVH your God will choose, you and your son and daughter, and your male and female servants, and the Levite who is within your gates; and you shall rejoice before YHVH your God in all your undertakings.

What a wonderful time of fellowship that would be.

YHVH bless you, and keep you;
YHVH make His face shine on you,
And be gracious to you;
YHVH lift up His countenance on you,
And give you peace

Jesus clarified who to share feasts with: LK 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:

Since Jesus rightly shared with the poor at the feasts, nobody suspected the other topic that Jesus discussed with Judas
JN 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

Tithing is a wonderful law, but is not the only law of giving. All the Law is love for God and man (Mt 22:40) and is eternal, as God and His Word and love should be appreciated as being. IS 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Tithing is a loving eternal law, to be enjoyed by all who share in it, including ourselves. It is a celebration of God’s goodness. It is holy ie ’set apart’, and is not to be used for corrupt purposes (Deut 26:14).

I pray God blesses you in the present day, as well as at the end … your works will go with you. Be assured that you have practiced true religion in that you have offered comfort to the widow and fatherless … some of us fall into both those categories and your work is truly a blessing. May it come back on you multiplied.

Regarding tithes, I have no PHD or great wisdom, but I look to God’s wise Words through His mouthpieces for some clarity. Jesus agreed with tithing Mt 23:23, Lk 11:42 so I embrace tithing as promoted by Jesus to ‘not leave the other undone’, but I cannot justify giving tithes to lying promoters of lawlessness, so other avenues must be sought regarding who God said to share tithes with and the result is joyful eg Deut 14:29, 16:11 &14, 26:12 & 13. There are many poor strangers crying for aid and there is also a small handfull of Godly priests who promote God’s Laws and feasts, so when Karaites invite donations to aid in seeking evidence for abib, that also would seem to be a justifiable way of supporting God’s Laws. Tithing is supposed to be righteous and joyful and certainly can be. May God be praised for granting opportunities which gladden us and enable us to happily do what is right, rather than furthering corruption.

God bless

You are majoring on minors and missing the whole point to my original post.

In your efforts to prove yourself the number 1 authority on tithing you are leading me to assume that you are just another Pauline christian trying to promote himself and his ministry.

You are picking on ridiculous little points that really have no relevance whatsoever to the overall context of the message.

Your point 1. You boldly declared that I was wrong with a big bold ‘CORRECTION’ when I stated that “The Levites had the tithe as their inheritance so that they wouldn’t have to work in the field.”

CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT, As you would say:

Nehemiah himself says:
10 And I perceived that the portions of the Levites had not been given them; so that the Levites and the singers, that did the work, were fled every one to his field.
11 Then contended I with the rulers, and said: ‘Why is the house of God forsaken?’ And I gathered them together, and set them in their place.

What does Nehemiah say??? “He saw that the Levites and the singers that did the work had fled to their fields”
Why had they fled to their fields??? Because “the portions of the Levites had not been given them”.
Why was the portions of the Levites supposed to have been given them??? “So that they wouldn’t have to work in the field, but could devote themselves wholy to God”.

What did I state that you are so adamant was wrong???
“He saw that the Levites and the singers, that did the work in the house of God were out working in the field (the Levites had the tithe as their inheritance so that they wouldn’t have to work in the field, but could devote themselves wholy to God)”. Was I wrong??? Did my statement need CORRECTION from you???

No… Think about it russell… If the Levites and the singers that did the work in the house of God had been given the portions of the Levites they would not have been out working in their fields would they… the Levites had the tithe (the portions of the Levites) as their inheritance so that they wouldn’t have to work in the field, but could devote themselves wholy to God…!

Perhaps I should have originally added in there “during the time of their service” for your benefit (I didn’t see the need as I was directly referring to what Nehemiah had written).

Your point 2. You are not correcting me… you are correcting Nehemiah Or the bible translators, Ididn’t make the following statement:
“So he went to the rulers to contend with them.” … ???
Perhaps you could share with Nehemiah your “CORRECTIONS” at a later date. That has nothing to do with me.

Your point 3. I wrote: “I don’t know where the tithe was but when Nehemiah had set things right, the verse tells us “he set treasurers over the treasury“. Then he prays and says, “Lord, remember this one thing, that I have done”.

You corrected ?? me with “CORRECTION: The tithe went wherever the priest had stored it after removing it from the temple storeroom.”

WHAT???

And where was that Russell???

I’m sorry Russell… but I still “don’t know where the tithe was”.

Are you just being hard to get along with here???

Here… Let me rephrase my original statement for your benefit:
“I don’t know where the tithe was (and I don’t care, because it doesn’t really matter) but when Nehemiah had set things right, the verse tells us that after he set treasurers over the treasury (here comes the important part) Then he prays and says, “14Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and wipe not out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for the offices thereof”.

Your point 4. What…?

Your point 5. So what…

Your point 6. In your point 2 of your first comment you stated:
“Two storerooms could not possibly hold all of the tithes of the nation.”
I agreed with you by adding “In a signed and sealed document one tenth of the tithe was ordained to be taken to the temple storehouse by the Levites”.
Yet you found that you still had to “CORRECTION:” me.

How ridiculous…

Your point 7. I stated: “I read the scriptures that you dared me to read”.

Your REPLY: Thank you for at least trying

how condescending of you… (and very Pauline – I notice that a lot of Pauline Christians have a venemous superior attitude).

Your points 8,9. Purely speculation on your part. If the priests had “stolen” the tithe then Nehemiah would have addressed the situation as just that. Nehemiah made no mention of theft. I don’t think that Nehemiah pulled any punches do you??? I am sure that if the priests were stealing Nehemiah would have rebuked the priests rather than the officials:
“11 So I rebuked the officials and asked them, “Why is the house of God neglected?” Then I called them together and stationed them at their posts.”

RUSSELL:
This is a place for sharing knowledge and encouraging others to find the truth. It is not a place for self promotion. Condescending attitudes are not welcome here.

Most of the visitors to this website have had enough of the lying, money hungry, condescending attitudes in the church and have stumbled accross this website in their search for the truth. As far as I am concerned this website is a sacred tool that has been set aside for the glory of our heavenly Father and for the benefit of those who are truly seeking Him. At the end of my days I will look at this website and pray… “14Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and wipe not out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for the offices thereof”.

The reason that I approved your first comments and allowed a link to your website was because (after spending some hours at your website) I thought that it had some good information for those who are struggling with the tithing message of the church. While I don’t agree with everything on your website… you do have more truth there than the church does and you have definitely taken the time to do some genuine research. Please feel free to share your knowledge with us, but try to do it in a less abrasive manner.

I appreciate the effort that you have put in to discovering the truth about the tithe, and I appreciate your willingness to share it with others. Our view of tithing is not much different in many aspects. Wouldn’t it be better for us to encourage each other??

CORRECTION: The above statement is wrong. The Levites and priests both worked in their “loaned” fields 23 of 24 weeks when they were not serving in the temple. They raised tithed animals and had to feel them in their fields from what they grew as farmers.

2. “So he went to the rulers to contend with them.”

CONTEXT: The high priest, Eliashib, was primarily responsible for making sure that the Levites had tithe-food to eat. Notice that the text does not say that the priests had gone back to their fields. The priests had tithe-food to eat because they were the one who emptied the storerooms under Eliashib’s commands. The general population had no access to these rooms. The other rulers were secondarily responsible because they allowed the temple to shut down because of Eliashib’s sin of removing the tithes.

3. I don’t know where the tithe was but when Nehemiah had set things right, the verse tells us “he set treasurers over the treasury“. Then he prays and says, “Lord, remember this one thing, that I have done”.

CORRECTION: The tithe went wherever the priest had stored it after removing it from the temple storeroom.

4. You didn’t CORRECT anything.

Reply: ????

5. (1) Read the rest of Nehemiah and about most commentaries. They turned two small chambers into one great chamber (see 13:9).

6. (2) In a signed and sealed document one tenth of the tithe was ordained to be
taken to the temple storehouse by the Levites (read Nehemiah 10:38).

CORRECTION: Not all at once. Each priest brought it up when he went up to serve. They brought the “portions” they needed (12:44, 47). The wives, daughters and younger sons of those serving needed food plus the whole families of the other 23 familes of priests. If they brought ALL of their tithe to the Temple then the other 98% who were still in the Levitical cities would have nothing to eat!

7. (3) I read the scriptures that you dared me to read.

REPLY: Thank you for at least trying.

8. (5) I can’t see how it is “very clear that the PRIESTS had STOLEN the tithe FROM
the Levites” in Nehemiah 13.

CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT: First, the high priest must have been involved in the removal of the tithes. Second, only the Levites lacked tithes. Third, the priests evidently still had their share of tithes. Fourth, read Numbers 18:25-29 and Malachi 1:13-14. Priests were not required to tithe but they were expected to give freewill vow offerings from what they received as tithes. They had stolen from God by swapping sick animals for the good animals they had vowed to give to God.

9. (6) Nehemiah 13:10-22 was NOT an emergency RESTOCKING of what the priests
had stolen.

CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT: In Nehemiah 10:37b the ordinary people were commanded to bring their first whole Levitical tithes —not to the Temple— but to the Levitical cities. Therefore 13:10-22 is either an error (God forbid) or an exception to 10:37b.

I don’t really understand why you wrote in big bold capital letters at the top of your comment CORRECTIONS. You didn’t CORRECT anything.

But I will address your ‘CORRECTIONS’ anyway:

1. Eliashib, DID NOT REMOVE the tithes from the TWO STOREROOMS in the Temple and allow Nehemiah’s Samaritan enemy to move into those vacated rooms. It was 1 room. (Read Nehemiah 13:5)

2. In a signed and sealed document one tenth of the tithe was ordained to be taken to the temple storehouse by the Levites (read Nehemiah 10:38)

3. I read the scriptures that you dared me to read. While I found nothing scary in there I did find it very interesting to learn about the Levitical cities and the farmland. Thank you.

4. as per 3.

5. I can’t see how it is “very clear that the PRIESTS had STOLEN the tithe FROM the Levites” in Nehemiah 13. Nehemiah reprimanded the officials who were not fulfilling their posts. Can you please show me the verse that is “very clear that the PRIESTS had STOLEN the tithe FROM the Levites”.

6. “11So I reprimanded the officials and said, “Why is the house of God forsaken?” Then I gathered them together and restored them to their posts”. The tithe of Nehemiah 13:10-22 was NOT an emergency RESTOCKING of what the priests had stolen. The officials had neglected their duty. Nehemiah told the officials to get back to work and do their job properly.

As much as I know that the priests are prone to thievery I will not falsly accuse them. That would make me no better than them wouldn’t it…